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Should the top UK universities have a black quota?
« on: November 06, 2017, 11:11:35 pm »
My friends on social media had a big argument about this - a black MP David Lammy accused Oxford of 'social apartheid' this week when it was revealed that one in three colleges at Oxford University had no black students. Of course, my very left wing friends went on the rampage on social media, screaming racism and elitism - a friend of mine got really upset about it as her son applied to Oxford and got rejected, so now she's playing the race card. I wasn't quite sure if I wanted to join in that conversation as I didn't want to be accused to elitism myself but I am of an ethnic minority, I am an immigrant, I'm gay, I'm autistic, I'm from a working class family and I too got rejected from Oxford too back in the 1990s despite my excellent results, before turning to my second choice UCL who promptly gave me a scholarship (but somehow despite all that, I'm just not good enough for Oxford). Thus this is an emotional topic even for me, so I sat down with my friend "Marc" (not his real name) who works at top university in the UK - Marc has agreed to this chat on the basis that I reveal neither his real name nor his employers, in order for him to be totally honest with me.

Limpeh: What is your response to the article in the Guardian and Lammy's accusation of 'social apartheid'?


Marc: I don't agree with Lammy. He is making the allegation based on the fact that there are no black students in one out of three Oxford colleges. You see, I've done loads of statistics over the years, both qualitative and quantitative analysis and I can see major flaws in the way Lammy had interpreted the data. He's black, he has an agenda to fight for the rights of the blacks to get into elite colleges. He's also using this issue just to get attention, to be in the headlines.


Limpeh: But surely there is a story here, or at least something worth looking at. If I may quote the article, "the data shows that 10 out of 32 Oxford colleges did not award a place to a black British pupil with A-levels in 2015, the first time the university has released such figures since 2010. Oriel College only offered one place to a black British A-level student in six years. Similar data released by Cambridge revealed that six colleges there failed to admit any black British A-level students in the same year." The percentage of black people in the UK stands at about 3% and if you were to include those who are mixed, that rises to about 4%. I grant you that's not a particularly high figure, but zero? Not a single black student in those colleges? How did that happen? Even I would call that a statistical anomaly. One would expect there to be at least about 1 to 5% of the intake to be black, especially if you can include international students. But none? You can see why people are calling it a conspiracy or even racism. I'm not even taking sides here, it is a statistical anomaly.

Marc: I have a feeling a lot of people simply read the headline of that misleading Guardian article and jumped to the conclusions that they wanted to jump to. u<>Many people are just waiting for any opportunity to hate the elite institutions as represented by Oxbridge thus they ignored the response from the universities where they clearly stated that they had made great efforts to target students from more deprived socio-economic backgrounds, those who wouldn't normally even consider going to university, let alone Oxbridge. The impression that Lammy is trying to give those with very short attention spans is that there are a group of nasty white racist old men in these colleges in top hats deliberately discriminating against black people - that couldn't be further from the truth! But hey, in the age of social media, people are searching for confirmation bias when surfing the internet. There is no smoking gun to justify Lammy's accusation - he saw some statistics and jumped to his own conclusions without any real evidence. You'll like to think that an MP would be more careful before making such a serious allegation, but given the way we have seen Trump lie his way through his campaign and presidency and the crap we had to deal with in Brexit from Boris Johnson, well, it is sad that politicians have such a cavalier attitude towards making ridiculous accusations. This is why you shouldn't always trust politicians.

More at http://www.domainofexperts.com/2017/11/should-top-uk-universities-have-black.html

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Re: Should the top UK universities have a black quota?
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2017, 12:48:28 pm »
stopped reading at "gay" ..... gay people like to flash the "victim card" as all reasonable people would know .....
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