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http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/less-intimidating/2525450.html


The President of the Law Society of Singapore (LawSoc) has weighed in on the debate sparked by the death of a 14-year-old boy after he had been taken in for questioning, saying the police should have taken a “less intimidating way” of approaching the investigation


how does a police investigator question a suspect in a non-intimidating manner? ???
very friendly and like brother-brother like that izziiiiiit? ???
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Re: Yishun teen suicide: School and police protocols under spotlight
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2016, 08:18:08 pm »
http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/yishun-teen-suicide-school-and-police-protocols-under-spotlight

.... let's hope they do a thorough review of the protocols under which those below 16-years can be interviewed and interrogated by the police .....

while I don't agree that parents should be present, I think a male child counsellor (with basic legal background) should be present in this case to provide advice to the teen.
I think someone with that kind of qualification is very rare or non-existent and even if 1 does exist in the police HQ, he also won't be so free to attend every interrogation.

And all of you are right about children being not so simple nowadays.  Youths who have been on the wrong side of the law may know it better than you and me as they will seek every way to manipulate it to suit their own needs.  They know which age they can do what etc. and the girls know the women's charter very well and how to cry wolf accordingly.
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Re: Yishun teen suicide: School and police protocols under spotlight
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2016, 09:40:49 pm »
I think someone with that kind of qualification is very rare or non-existent and even if 1 does exist in the police HQ, he also won't be so free to attend every interrogation.

And all of you are right about children being not so simple nowadays.  Youths who have been on the wrong side of the law may know it better than you and me as they will seek every way to manipulate it to suit their own needs.  They know which age they can do what etc. and the girls know the women's charter very well and how to cry wolf accordingly.

I think better to put the interest of potential molest victims ahead of the potential perpetrator bah? ??? Premptive strike to protect future victims?  8)

Just like how we deal with terrorists ...
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I think better to put the interest of potential molest victims ahead of the potential perpetrator bah? ??? Premptive strike to protect future victims?  8)

Just like how we deal with terrorists ...
I hope you are not a fan of Donald Trump.  宁可错杀一千,不可放过一个?
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I hope you are not a fan of Donald Trump.  宁可错杀一千,不可放过一个?

how did 秦始皇 make China great? ???
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how did 秦始皇 make China great? ???
He burnt books and buried scholars, basically destroying anything that he did not agree with.
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He burnt books and buried scholars, basically destroying anything that he did not agree with.
Leaders like him are in short supply these days - to rid a world of it's ills .... we need decisive leaders like him. Instead of cozying up to the namby-pambys
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Major questions on minor's treatment
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2016, 12:59:07 pm »
http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/major-questions-minors-treatment



WHAT BENJAMIN'S FAMILY WANTS TO KNOW

These are the issues that were raised during the three separate interviews The New Paper did with the family:

-Why was it necessary to have five plainclothes policemen in two unmarked police vehicles visit Benjamin's school?

-Why did the police take Benjamin away during recess time, rather than wait till after school?

-Why didn't a teacher or the principal accompany Benjamin when he left with the police?

-Why were Benjamin's parents not allowed to accompany him during the police investigation at Ang Mo Kio Division?

-After his release, Benjamin had told his mother he felt fearful and cold during the police interview. What happened during the interview?

-Why did Benjamin change his stance from an admission of guilt to the police, to later telling his mother at Yio Chu Kang MRT station that he did not do it?

-Benjamin was eagerly looking forward to attending a Sec 3 Cohort Camp the next day. Why didn't the school allow him to attend the camp?

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Re: Major questions on minor's treatment
« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2016, 05:51:11 pm »
-After his release, Benjamin had told his mother he felt fearful and cold during the police interview. What happened during the interview?
This is a questioning technique right? Blast aircon to force confession, I learn from 无间道 one.  :-X

-Benjamin was eagerly looking forward to attending a Sec 3 Cohort Camp the next day. Why didn't the school allow him to attend the camp?
I think if he was a suspect in a molest case and if it was an overnight camp, he wouldn't be allowed to attend as a precaution.  That decision really depends on the school and the teachers at the camp.
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Don't villify the police for doing their job: MHA
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2016, 06:30:23 pm »
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/mobile/singapore/police-in-benjamin-lim/2559778.html

Police in Benjamin Lim case acted 'in accordance with rules': MHA
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http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/yishun-teen-suicide-shanmugam-slams-toc-attempts-tar-police-falsehoods

..... please loh ..... TOC is hardly a reliable news source .... only undiscerning singaporeans and feeble-minded singaporeans will swallow their stories wholesale ..... but quite fun to read lah .... so cartoon and cheo-kar-peng .....
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People always like to do their own conclusions before the hearing is even over.  TOC provides this platform for them and when the official conclusion doesn't match theirs, they can kpkb online again.
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http://mothership.sg/2016/03/police-asked-14-year-old-benjamin-lim-to-assist-in-investigations-after-he-was-identified-via-cctv-footage/

It showed a boy in school uniform, the suspect. He was later identified to be from North View Secondary School.

From the footage retrieved, it appeared that the boy made a detour while he was going home from school.

The CCTV footage showed the boy making his way to another block of flats in the neighbourhood.

While on this detour to the other block, he was seen quickly following the girl. He went into a lift with her, at the ground floor of her block.

After she entered it, there was CCTV footage from within the lift, showing what happened.

The two appeared not to have met before.

When inside the lift, he allegedly molested the girl in the lift.

He stepped out of the lift at the 13th floor.

The girl says that there was a brief exchange between them when he stepped out of the lift. But she did not follow him down the stairs.

CCTV footage shows that he then got into the lift at the 12th floor and went back down to the ground floor.

It would appear that his purpose in getting into the lift, was to follow her, and after the incident took place, he got out.
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so he killed himself out of guilt??

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so he killed himself out of guilt??
There could be a few reasons but basically, he did not know how to handle the situation and chose suicide.

Maybe he didn't know how to face his parents.  Maybe there was peer pressure from other students.  Nowadays, students have their own online school forums.  Social media can be very toxic too.
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